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26.05.2009, 11:30 TS | #1 (permalink) |
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Приветы just for fun, чтобы не скучать вначале моих МТТ-шек, попробовал играть Turbo HU SNG на FT. На 11+0.5 было не очень интересно, на 50 турниров было +8 байинов но там и по ощущениям было понятно что я их бью. Попробовал играть 22+1, там поинтересней, 14-14 пока. Но вопрос собственно не в этом. А в стиле игры. За первые 4-6-10 минут я за счет гиперагрессивной игры в подавляющем большинстве игр ( процентах в 80-90) добиваюсь значительного перевеса по фишкам - обычно в 2-3 раза, иногда в 4. И вот дальше у меня начинаются проблемы с реализацией этого преимущества - т.е. по уровням - заканчивается 20/40 или начался 30/60. У оппа 800-900 фишек, у меня 2100-2200. Он начинает крутить мои стандартные рейзы в 3ББ с СБ, я выбрасываю поскольку не хочу удваивать на маргинальных руках. Попытки забрать банк вне позиции по слабым совпадениям переставляются, по сильным забираются но таких банков слишком мало. Собственно стандартный сценарий дальнейшего развития - я коллирую 3-бет олин по хорошому королю и вижу там туза... как переключить скорость и плавно довести дело до победы понять пока не могу
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26.05.2009, 11:39 | #2 (permalink) |
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была тоже такая проблема , но со временем начал ее решать ! Зависит от конкретного оппа , если очень агресивен , то среднеий туз король для меня изи колл, любая пара ! Так зависит от конкретной ситуации , раньше у оппа 500 у меня 2500 хотелось как можно раньше закончить , принимал фактически на эни ту !
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26.05.2009, 13:44 | #3 (permalink) |
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А какие тут могут быть лекарства кроме описанных во втором посте?
Если крутит постоянно, то принимать А2+ КТ+ 22+. Если крутит время от времени, то при описанном преимуществе в фишках это не должно напрягать.
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Ваш иделальный соперник это tight&passive и в меньшей степени loose&passive, в последнем случае лучше сыграть немного тайтовее. Если конкретно по вопросу, то если опп начал 3бетить то он сменил тактику (раскусил вас ) и уже имеет смысл быть тайтовее. Особенно это правильно пр уровне 30/60 когда у оппа 800-900фишек. Ваш перевес в фишек не имеет значение , а имеет значение только уровень блайндов. Если конечно у оппа не меньше 10*бб А вот на следующем уровне можно пушить QJ+. |
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26.05.2009, 13:56 TS | #6 (permalink) |
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На тему процентов действительно не вру по крайней мере за 28 турниров до отметки в 2200 фишек я доходил минимум в 20. На тему "раскусил" - да, очевидно так оно и есть. Фактически вопрос сводится к тому как минимизировать риски удвоить соперника который начинает пытаться противостоять агрессии.
Из практических мыслей подумалось изменить размер атаки с СБ с 3ББ до 2ББ, тогда не так болезненно выбрасывать на разворот и вместо 3-бета в банк, выбирать более мягкие размеры - от плоского до +0.5 к банку. Еще была мысль включать затягивать время дотягивая до максимально больших блинов - пуш-фолд ХА в больших блинах я умею. Но мне подумалось это не спортивно... |
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На тему раскусил - нужно балансировать свою игру ! бывают оппы каждую руку трибет префлоп , с такими ваще одно удовольствие играть ! Играю на фтп там такое не редкость за последние 14 игр проиграл 1 раз )))) лимит 6-11$
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26.05.2009, 14:24 | #8 (permalink) |
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28 турниров, значит ты просто попал в струю апстрика, не обольщайся не все так просто в HU SNG
можно попробовать минирейз (2ББ) вместо 3бб, но надо понимать реакцию оппа. его простое 3бет аллин будет плюсовой на этих блайндах. Есть отличный пост, лень/и занят тоже переводить ее HUSNG Theory: Revisiting 3-Bet Shoving with 25BB Effective Stacks Hi all, This is my first post. I’ve been inspired to write it after reading the excellent post Insane_Steve made on the same subject. I read that post with great interest and have thought about it’s implications a lot - particularly on how wide I can shove against an opponent’s raise given his raise size and his calling range. If you haven’t read the post, you can find it here: [Зарегистрироваться?] What I kept asking myself after reading the original post, was how is our opponent’s range influenced by our own holding? And what our total equity would be when called? (Including the value we have the times when we split pots, not just when we win or lose). This post is my own attempt to answer those questions. I’ve kept to the same scenarios as Insane_Steve outlined in his original post (I hope that is okay with you Insame_Steve). Generally, the outcomes in each scenario are similar e.g. if your opponent is raising wide and calling tight then most of your value lies in fold equity. However, there are some interesting differences in relative hand rankings, and how wide you can continue to shove, even as your opponent widens his calling range. Anyway, all this actually depends on the accuracy of my methodology and of my calculations. Please feel free to berate me if I’m way out in left field on this - I’m here to learn and improve my own game after all. In order to make everything transparent, I’ve included a step-by-step guide for the first scenario. For the remaining scenarios I’ve just noted the actual results of my calculations. If there are any errors, I apologise in advance for them. Anyway, here’s the post. I hope it provides some further food for thought. **** Situation: We are playing an aggressive opponent and, after the blinds are posted, each player has at least 1,250 chips. Villain raises his button 2/3 of the time. Blinds are 25/50. Effective stacks are 25BB Action: Villain raises 3x to 150. You hold one of the following hands: 22 A2 JT 75 32 Question: Given our starting hand, how many chips can we expect to earn from shoving over the top of villain’s raise? Answer: It depends on what range of hands our villain will call or fold...but also what influence our own holding has on the number of possible hand combinations within his range. **** Scenario #1: Our villain has a tight calling range of 66+, ATo+, A9s, and KQ. What exactly does this mean? If we plug the range into Pokerstove then we know that this calling range represents 10.4% of hands, but it’s important to not that the Pokerstove number represents 10.4% of all possible 1,326 starting hand combinations. 138 Combinations in Calling Range 1326 Possible Starting hands 10.4% = 138/1326 However, we already know two of the cards in play. The presence of our own hand automatically limits the possible starting hand combinations for our villain to 1,225. So, the question is, given our own hand, how many combinations of hands lie within the villain’s calling range? The answers, for each hand, are as follows: 22 138 combos A2 118 combos JT 124 combos 75 135 combos 32 138 combos So, our own hand has an effect on the number of possible hand combinations our villain will call with. Given that our villain has 1,225 possible hand combinations, we can easily find the % of hands that our villain will call, given our own starting hand: 22 138 combos => villain calls 11.27% of his range A2 118 combos => villain calls 9.63% of his range JT 124 combos => villain calls 10.12% of his range 75 135 combos => villain calls 11.02% of his range 32 138 combos => villain calls 11.27% of his range We also know that in each case our villain will fold 1-(% of % of Range Called / % PFR) 22 138 combos => villain calls 11.27% of his range => villain folds 83.11% of the time A2 118 combos => villain calls 9.63% of his range => villain folds 85.56% of the time JT 124 combos => villain calls 10.12% of his range => villain folds 84.82% of the time 75 135 combos => villain calls 11.02% of his range => villain folds 83.48% of the time 32 138 combos => villain calls 11.27% of his range => villain folds 83.11% of the time When we 3-bet our villain’s 3x raise, we can expect to win: The Size of Preflop Pot * % Villain Folds 22 => 166.22 cEV when villain folds A2 => 171.12 cEV when villain folds JT => 169.65 cEV when villain folds 75 => 166.96 cEV when villain folds 32 => 166.22 cEV when villain folds Naturally, our villain may also call. If he does, we need to know what equity our own hand has against his calling range. From Pokerstove we get the following: 22 => 38.314% equity against calling range A2 => 31.458% equity against calling range JT => 36.923% equity against calling range 75 => 32.609% equity against calling range 32 => 25.823% equity against calling range And, as we already know the the % of time our villain folds, we also know how often he will call our shove: 22 => 38.314% equity against calling range => 16.89% of the time villain calls shove A2 => 31.458% equity against calling range => 14.44% of the time villain calls shove JT => 36.923% equity against calling range => 15.18% of the time villain calls shove 75 => 32.609% equity against calling range => 16.52% of the time villain calls shove 32 => 25.823% equity against calling range => 16.89% of the time villain calls shove What is our cEV in each case when the villain calls our shove? To answer this, we also need to consider the amount of chips we can win when we are called (the Size of Pot When Called), as well as the amount of chips we could lose when we are called (the Size of Our Shove). Our cEV when called will be: Villain Call % * ((Equity When Called * Size of Pot When Called) - the Size of Our Shove)) Size of Pot When Called = 2,575 (25 SB + 50BB + 150 Raise + 1,250 Shove + 1,100 Call) Size of Shove = 1,250 Calculating this through, we find the following cEV for each of our starting hands when our villain calls our shove: 22 => -44.49 cEV when villain calls our shove A2 => -63.54 cEV when villain calls our shove JT => -45.41 cEV when villain calls our shove 75 => -67.69 cEV when villain calls our shove 32 => -98.81 cEV when villain calls our shove Naturally, we are interested in the total cEV of our shove. As there are only two possible outcomes (our villain folds or he calls) we can simply sum the results of both sets of calculations: 22 => 166.22 cEV (fold) => -44.49 cEV (calls) => 121.73 Total cEV A2 => 171.12 cEV (fold) => -63.54 cEV (calls) => 107.58 Total cEV JT => 169.65 cEV (fold) => -45.41 cEV (calls) => 124.24 Total cEV 75 => 166.96 cEV (fold) => -67.69 cEV (calls) => 99.16 Total cEV 32 => 166.22 cEV (fold) => -98.81 cEV (calls) => 67.41 Total cEV Conclusions: If villain is opening wide (66.7%) and calling tight (10.4% of all possible starting hands) then: 3-bet shoving any two is +cEV Your edge in 3-bet shoving comes from fold equity. You have the highest fold equity when you hold an ace in your hand, as this reduces the number of hand combinations in your opponents calling range. Low cards and low pairs perform worse in terms of fold equity. However, if you are called it is best to have a pair or a mid-to-high suited connector than a bad ace. With this calling range for Villain, it actually turns out that A2o outperforms all suited connectors up to 76s. Overall, from our given hands, total cEV on the 3-bet shove play is highest with JTs against this range. The pair comes a close second, followed by the weak ace. Additionally, it turns out that even if our opponent min-raises his button we can still profitably shove 32o with the defined (tight) calling range for our villain. **** Scenario #2 Villain now has a wider calling range of 44+, A8o, A5s+, KJo+, KTs Following the same methodology as above, the results are: 22 => 148.60 cEV (fold) => -51.10 cEV (calls) => 97.49 Total cEV A2 => 155.94 cEV (fold) => -78.91 cEV (calls) => 77.04 Total cEV JT => 153.25 cEV (fold) => -54.49 cEV (calls) => 98.76 Total cEV 75 => 150.56 cEV (fold) => -87.00 cEV (calls) => 63.55 Total cEV 32 => 148.60 cEV (fold) => -141.67 cEV (calls) => 6.93 Total cEV Conclusions: 3-bet shoving over the 3x raise is still +cEV with any two. Your edge in 3-bet shoving still comes from fold equity. You still have the highest fold equity when you hold an ace in your hand. Low cards and low pairs still perform worse in terms of fold equity. Again, if you are called it is best to have a pair or a mid-to-high suited connector than a bad ace. The ace continues to outperform the low suited connectors though. Once more, from our given hands, total cEV on the 3-bet shove play is highest with JTs against this range - although now the advantage over the pair is negligible. The weak ace comes in third again. Amazingly, shoving 32o only begins to show a loss in total cEV once our opponent begins to raise 2.8BB or less. **** Scenario #3 Again we widen our opponent’s calling range to 22+, A2o+, KTo+, K9s+, QJ+, QTs, JTs The results are as follows: 22 => 118.49 cEV (fold) => -43.30 cEV (calls) => 75.19 Total cEV A2 => 129.26 cEV (fold) => -83.26 cEV (calls) => 46.00 Total cEV JT => 122.16 cEV (fold) => -67.66 cEV (calls) => 54.50 Total cEV 75 => 118.73 cEV (fold) => -115.25 cEV (calls) => 3.38 Total cEV 32 => 118.73 cEV (fold) => -210.28 cEV (calls) => -91.55 Total cEV Conclusions: All of our hands, apart from 32o remain +cEV. We continue to lose fold equity as our opponent calls with a wider range, but our fold equity still remains highest with the ace in our hand, followed by JTs, which is closely followed by the low card hands. When we are called, the pair now increases in value, relative to the villain’s calling range in Scenario #2. All other hands lose value, although the relative ranking remains the same. Total cEV is highest with the pair for the first time Now let’s add A8 A8 => 129.26 cEV (fold) => -13.14 cEV (calls) => 116.26 Total cEV Fold equity is as with A2o, reflecting that we reduce our opponents calling range by the same amount of combinations. When we are called A8o outperforms all hands considerably, including the pair, and has the highest total cEV by a wide margin. **** Scenario #4 Villian’s calling range is now 22+, A2o+, K7o+, any suited K, Q8o+, Q6s+, J9o+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s. We remove the low cards from our shoving range and replace with A8 and 55. 22 => 74.92 cEV (fold) => -35.52 cEV (calls) => 39.40 Total cEV A2 => 85.45 cEV (fold) => -39.74 cEV (calls) => 45.70 Total cEV JT => 81.77 cEV (fold) => -52.63 cEV (calls) => 29.14 Total cEV A8 => 88.14 cEV (fold) => 54.32 cEV (calls) => 142.45 Total cEV 55 => 74.92 cEV (fold) => 60.12 cEV (calls) => 135.04 Total cEV Although our fold equity is reduced considerably for all hands, all hands have + cEV. Fold equity is highest with aces in our hand. If villain is calling this wide we can value shove our stronger aces as well as stronger pairs. **** Scenario #5 Villain raises tighter from the button - 25%. He has the same calling range as in Scenario #1. The important thing to note is that our villain will be calling our shove way more often. We still have fold equity, but we are leveled by his calling range to such an extent that none of our hands are +cEV 22 => 109.88 cEV (fold) => -118.70 cEV (calls) => -8.82 Total cEV A2 => 122.94 cEV (fold) => -169.52 cEV (calls) => -46.58 Total cEV JT => 119.02 cEV (fold) => -121.16 cEV (calls) => -2.14 Total cEV 75 => 111.84 cEV (fold) => -180.87 cEV (calls) => -69.04 Total cEV 32 => 109.88 cEV (fold) => -263.63 cEV (calls) => -153.76 Total cEV **** Lessons Learned Against this Opponent: When our opponent is raising wide and calling tight from his button, we can shove a wide range of hands and have +cEV. Even as he loosens his calling requirements most of our hands will have +cEV Most of our value in 3-bet shoving comes from fold equity It is better to have a pair or mid-high suited connector when he calls Against the tighter calling ranges, you can expect to earn more from a hand like JTs than 22 Bad aces out perform lower suited connector hands, even as our opponent widens his calling range When our opponent calls really wide, we still have +cEV with most of our hands. Stronger aces like A8o and pairs like 55 go way up in value Once our opponent tightens up, 3-bet shoving , even with a pocket pair against a 3x raise, can show minus cEV Есть и статьи имеено по минирейзу и как с ним бороьтся, если интересно выложу. |
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